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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:42 pm 
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Sit nou saam met een van my vriende wat sy bevoegdheid doen en lees deur die “ITA legal test” boek. Onder definiesies lees ek die vlg:

“Air gun” means any device manufactured to discharge a bullet or any other projectile of a caliber of less than 5.6mm (.22 caliber), by means of compressed gas and not by means of burning propellant.

“Firearm” means any:
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(d) Device manufactured to discharge a bullet or any other projectile of .22 calibre or higher at a muzzle energy of more than 8 joules (6 ft-lb), by means of compressed gas and not by means of burning propellant.


.22 duim is 5,588mm

Nou my vraag:
Op my Weihrauch HW100 staan daar “.22/5.5mm” en die muzzle energy is verseker meer as 8joule. Die windbuks moet wetting wees aangesien en dit by “die groot winkel” oor die toonbank gekoop het, maar kan n polisie man wat die wet ken my moeilikheid gee?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:17 am 
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HI Albert84

Ek het n soortgelyke draad raakgeloop op n ander forum. Ek hoop dit help.

http://www.gunsite.co.za/forums/showthr ... air-rifles

Dus volgens die draad is jou "windbuks" onwettig omrede dit teen meer as 8 joule energie beskik. Ek is nie n Prokereur nie, dis net hoe ek dit lees, want die wet se dit is die een (meer as 5.56mm) OF die ander (meer as 8 joule muzzle eneregy) of albei wat die windbuks kwalifiseer as n vuurwapen.

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Daar moet erens 'n misverstand wees - Kyk na Matt Dubber se videos, daai PCP's van hom skiet klip hard, maar hy het niks oor .22 kaliber nie omdat dit nie wettig is by ons nie. In SA dink ek nie ons is beperk op energie op windbukse nie, is dit nie in 'n ammendment of iets verander nie?


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Jy koop darem wel hierdie windgewere by die handelaars sonder lisensies.
Verstaan hulle dan die Wet verkeerd?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:42 am 
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Sien hierdie van die airgun forum af:

Definition of an Airgun In Terms of the Law
(Firearms Control Act 60 of 2000)
(as amended up to 31/01/2015)
An airgun is any airgun with a calibre of below 5.6mm
regardless of power/energy at the muzzle.
An airgun is any airgun with a calibre of 5.6mm and
above but is manufactured to be incapable of shooting
at powers/energy of no more than 8 joules / 6 foot
pounds at the muzzle.
Any airgun that exceeds both the 5.6mm calibre and
muzzle energy of 8 joules / 6 foot pounds is classified
as a firearm in South Africa and in terms of the FCA a
firearms licence is required to own and operate such.
Hereinafter referred to as a “LCA - Large Calibre Airgun”
class airgun.


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Daai Hw100 is verseker onwettig! Ek sal posgeld betaal en die probleem myne maak ;)


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Die wet se 5.6mm (.22 caliber)
Luggewere se lope is almal 5.52mm (as ek reg onthou) - so wettig en dit is waarom jy hom oor toonbank kan koop.


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Ammion wrote:
Die wet se 5.6mm (.22 caliber)
Luggewere se lope is almal 5.52mm (as ek reg onthou) - so wettig en dit is waarom jy hom oor toonbank kan koop.


Klein aanpassing: Wet praat van 5.56mm, nie 5.6mm. 5.5mm lug gewere se lope is 5.5mm, maar sekere pellets kan 5.52mm of selfs groter wees.

Jy is veilig met 5.5mm pcp onder ons wet.

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Volgens Martin Hood is enige iets oor 8 joules energie n vuurwapen. So selfs jou 4.5mm windbuks nodig n lisensie

Hi Everybody time for a change of direction and some introspection.
Airguns/rifles: I am tired of people arguing amongst themselves and with me about a simple interpretation of the FCA which is going to bite all of us in the backside because of unscrupulous importers of objects that they have sold as airguns when they are in fact firearms and need a licence because of what it is set out below. I am equally tired of people who wnat to try and justify possession or purchase of these firearms because they seek to interpret the act in a way that they think creates a loophole to be exploited, ultimately to the predjudice of all of us.
I was involved in the drafting of the act from inception and I think Iknow what the intention of the drafters of the legislation was way back in 1997. I have a law degree and many years of legal practise and I can read plain English.
The act defines an airgun as a device manufactured to discharge a bullet or any other projectile [a]
"of a calibre less than 5.56mm [22 calibre]; or
{note punctuation, a semi colon and then "or" }
[b] at a muzzzle energy of less than 8 joules[6 ft lbs]
by means of compressed gas and not by means of burning propellant .
People this means if the calibre is bigger than 5.56mm or the airgun has energy greater than 8 joules it is a firearm. So if the calibre is 5.5 mm but the energy is greater than 8 joules it is a firearm , or if the calibre is 4.5mm and the energy is greater than 8 joules it is a firearm. The two determining factors are independent of each other.If your airgun falls foul of one of the criteria it needs a firearm licence.
No pls stop bickering and questioning the interpretation, saps are already investigating this issue.


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Arnold wrote:
Daai Hw100 is verseker onwettig! Ek sal posgeld betaal en die probleem myne maak ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:23 pm 
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Indien die stuk wat aangehaal word deur Luan 'n korrekte aanhaling is, moet ek van Martin Hood verskil.

Dit is nie ongewoon nie. Kyk hoe het die Grondwetlike Hof van SA Jagters se regspan en die oorspronklike Hooggeregshof beslissing verskil.

Indien die toestel wat 'n projektiel lanseer se kaliber minder as 5,6 mm is, of as die trompenergie minder as 8 joule [6 vt pond] is en dit word aangedryf deur saamgeperste lug, is dit 'n luggeweer. Kyk na die definisie van "äirgun" in die wet.

So luggeweer word egter ook as vuurwapen geklassifiseer indien dit dan 'n projektiel van 5,6 mm of groter deur middel van saamgeperste lug kan lanseer teen 'n trompenergie van meer as 8 joule [6 vt pond].

Die speelgoed gewere wat dus "ping pong"balle met saamgeperste lug afvuur is nie 'n vuurwapen nie, want die trompenergie is te laag. Dit is ten spyte van die groot kaliber. Dan weer is 'n windbuks wat 'n projektiel teen meer as 8 joule of 6 voet per sekonde met saamgeperste lug afvuur ook nie 'n vuurwapen nie, indien die kaliber onder 5,6 mm is.

Dit is waarom Matt Dubber van AirArmsHunting op sy videos altyd noem waarom hy oorsee, maar nie hier nie, met .30 luggewere kan skiet. Hier sal so .30 luggeweer as vuurwapen gelisensieër moet word.

Lees die definisie van "airgun" in die wet en dan daarmee saam punt (d) van die definisie van "firearm". Dan maak dit mooi sin.


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Ek stem ook soos jy.

As hy kleiner as 5.56mm is dit 'n windbuks.
As dit minder as 8 joules skiet is dit 'n windbuks.

Volgens die wet se definisie is paintballguns vuurwapens maar ek hoor nie veel daaroor.

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Dankie vir die terugvoer. Ek sal maar net stil bly en aanhou lekker speel.

Arnold ek sal jou aanbod ingedagte hou as die blok skroei[emoji23][emoji23]


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