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Hunter sues gun-maker Savage Arms claiming they KNEW about defect that caused rifle to explode and cause serious injuries to his hand and face
One of the nation's largest rifle makers is accused of marketing a muzzleloader that occasionally explodes and can severely injure hunters
Several hunters say they have been injured over the last decade when a rifle made by Savage Arms unexpectedly exploded upon firing
The company has faced several lawsuits over its 10ML-II stainless steel rifle, which was once favored by thousands of big game hunters in the U.S.
A lawsuit alleges Savage knew about the defect when the model was available between 2006 and 2013
The company says the exploding barrels must have been caused by hunters using the rifles incorrectly

t was the opening day of deer hunting season, and Ronald Hansen says he loaded his rifle the same way he had countless times before, aimed at a target and fired a shot.
This time, the gun barrel exploded, knocking the farmer from Hampton, Iowa, backward, severely damaging his right hand and ear and burning his face.
Unknown to Hansen, the manufacturer of the rifle that injured him in 2014 had received other complaints of explosions and injuries over the prior decade.
Customers repeatedly reported that the barrel of the stainless steel 10 ML-II muzzleloader exploded, burst, split or cracked, according to thousands of court documents reviewed by The Associated Press.


Lawyers for the company, Westfield, Massachusetts-based Savage Arms, were expected to appear Wednesday in federal court in Iowa to defend against a lawsuit filed by Hansen.
He is seeking damages for his injuries, alleging the company failed to warn customers about the defect.
It's one of several lawsuits that have claimed the company recklessly kept the muzzleloaders on the market even as they kept occasionally mangling hands, damaging hearing and burning faces.
At least three have been settled on a confidential basis since last year.


Martin Crimp, a Michigan State University metals expert who examined a 10ML-II that exploded and caused a hunter to lose multiple fingers in 2009, told the AP the barrel of that gun was 'metallurgically defective.'
An expert hired by Hansen's lawyers came to a similar conclusion, saying the steel used to make the rifle was prone to catastrophic failure after repeat firings.
Anthony Pisciotti, an outside lawyer for Savage Arms, said he wasn't authorized to comment. A spokesman for its parent company, Vista Outdoor, didn't return messages.

Ruger was accused of marketing revolvers for decades that could fire when dropped.
Savage Arms recently agreed to settle a lawsuit filed by Trent Procter, who was on a hunting trip with friends in October 2009 when the 10 ML-II he'd owned for years 'just blew apart' when he shot at a target.
Procter, 48, missed nine months of work from his job as a power company lineman as he endured surgeries on his left hand and rehabilitation.
He had to move to a different job and still experiences numbness due to nerve damage in his hand, where he's missing parts of his thumb and middle finger.
Photos of Procter's hand were shared on hunting websites after the explosion, and he said it was insulting that some suggested he and not a defective product was to blame.
'I'm surprised it was never recalled or a warning was put out that this was actually happening,' he said. 'It's quite scary when you think about it.'
Last year, the company also settled a case brought by Michigan hunter Rodney Palatka and his wife, who was pregnant with twins and suffered a miscarriage after witnessing her husband's injuries.
James Putman of North Carolina alleges in a pending lawsuit that his Savage 10ML-II burst as he hunted last year in the George Washington National Forest, blasting his thumb off and forcing his early retirement as a firefighter.
Savage Arms started making the 10ML-II in 2001. It was designed to withstand the use of smokeless powder, which appealed to some shooters because it didn't require the same messy cleanup as black powder.
The company's knowledge of the barrel problems is becoming clear after years of lawsuits.
In Palatka's case, a federal magistrate in 2015 sanctioned the company for a 'purposeful record of obfuscation' that included falsely claiming that it was aware of only two prior explosions while withholding information that showed otherwise.
The company acknowledged in Hansen's case that it received 45 legal claims related to burst or split barrels dating to 2004. Hansen's lawyers say documents show Savage Arms created a special 'muzzleloader return team' and faced hundreds of warranty and service claims.
Some hunters were offered free replacement rifles after they were told their errors caused the damage.
Hansen, 50 and a lifelong hunter, testified in an August deposition that he followed the recommended procedures when he loaded his 10ML-II, which he bought in 2010 and had shot 200 times. He said he weighed and loaded 43 grains of the recommended powder and one bullet. He set a target at 50 yards, laid on a dirt pile, aimed and fired.
Hansen, who was rushed to the emergency room after the explosion, testified he still struggles to hear even with a hearing aid and cannot perform some farm chores due to his hand injury.
Savage Arms has suggested that Hansen used an improper mix of powders that caused too much pressure. Trial is set for next year.

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Hoekom hulle 'n voorlaaier maak wat met moderne nitroselulose dryfmiddel kan skiet los my verslae.
Een of ander siel gaan probeer om sy gewone swartkruit voorlaier (Loop is vervaardig uit "mild steel" en kan nie die druk van moderne dryfmidddels veilig hanteer nie) met soortgelyk te laai en verongeluk.
Dis net 'n kwessie van tyd.


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Ek sien op die foto waar die lope blom. By 'n gewone senterslag geweer is die wande baie dikker waar die kamer is en daar waar die meeste druk opgebou word.

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In die tyd toe swart kruit erg skaars was het ek manne gesien wat S385 gebruik in hulle side hammers. Mooi met die manne probeer praat om dit nie te doen nie. Die 1 ou het my reguit laat verstaan omdat ek nie n metalurg is nie moet ek my bek hou en f-off. My goed gevat en geloop

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Klein Chris wrote:
In die tyd toe swart kruit erg skaars was het ek manne gesien wat S385 gebruik in hulle side hammers. Mooi met die manne probeer praat om dit nie te doen nie. Die 1 ou het my reguit laat verstaan omdat ek nie n metalurg is nie moet ek my bek hou en f-off. My goed gevat en geloop


Beste ding om te doen, anders moet jy getuie wees as die ding bars. Slim mense is orals in die lewe maar gewoonlik alleen, min mense glo hul strooi...


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Weet ook van iemand wat MP200 gebruik in sy inline


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Plein idioot, nogals pistool poeier. Die regte swartkruit is dan vrylik beskikbaar n paar maande al!!


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