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Lope

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:15 am
by Ajviljoen260rem
Dagse manne,



Het enige een van julle ondervinding met Brux( Cut)lope? Hoe vergelyk hy met die lope hier onder en waar sal julle hom “rate” tussen die lope.

Ek ken Krieger(Cut),Bartlein(Cut),Broughton( Button) en Walther(Button)lope.


Groete Adriaan

Re: Lope

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:23 am
by Capt. Yoda
So goed soos enige top loop wat jy kan koop

Re: Lope

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:12 pm
by Izak H
Ajviljoen260rem wrote:Dagse manne,



Het enige een van julle ondervinding met Brux( Cut)lope? Hoe vergelyk hy met die lope hier onder en waar sal julle hom “rate” tussen die lope.

Ek ken Krieger(Cut),Bartlein(Cut),Broughton( Button) en Walther(Button)lope.


Groete Adriaan
Is hulle ni dalk no 1 in die lysie ni ?

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Re: Lope

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:26 pm
by JPS
Baie goeie lope

Re: Lope

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:27 pm
by Francoisv
FYI
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Broughton Barrels

Conventional and canted land (5C) pull-buttoned barrels. Stress-relieved and meticulously hand-lapped, Broughton barrels clean easily and the 5C offers enhanced velocities. Broughton Canted Land Barrels.

Brux Barrels

Brux produces very high-quality cut-rifled barrels. Recent records have been set with Brux 6mm and 6.5mm barrels, and the 7mms have performed well in F-Class applications. Brux is located in Lodi, Wisconsin. Call (608) 592-3324.

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Hart Barrels

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Krieger Barrels

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Lilja Precision Rifle Barrels

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McGowen Precision Barrels

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Phone: (928) 474-2852
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Shilen Barrels

Big-name Texas barrel-maker still produces the lion’s share of winning short-range BR barrels. They now offer ratchet (canted land) as well as conventional push-button rifling in 3, 4, 5 and 6 grooves.

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Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:43 pm
by Ajviljoen260rem
Dankie manne, bietjie af van die topic.

Het barrel fluting enige negatiewe effek op n loop??

Groete Adriaan

Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:18 pm
by Victor_
Jammer, ook bietjie van die topic af.

Word daar pre-fit lope vir Howa’s en Tikka’s in RSA verkoop?

Is daar nie ‘n mark hiervoor nie?

Groete Victor


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Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:26 pm
by Izak H
Ajviljoen260rem wrote:Dankie manne, bietjie af van die topic.

Het barrel fluting enige negatiewe effek op n loop??

Groete Adriaan
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Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:47 pm
by Capt. Yoda
Van daai loop fabrikate wat Francois daar genoem het se jy void die “waranty” op die loop sou jy hom flute maar meeste fabrieke doen dit al as n custom opsie as jy n spesifieke profile bestel. Daar is baie toetse oor dit gedoen en party se die loop kan begin skeef skiet as hy warm word agv die flutes en ander se weer dit maak niks, ek dink Bartlein het n toets gedoen en gevind dat button rifled lope nie van flutes hou nie

Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:06 pm
by Geno
Capt. Oblivious wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:47 pm Van daai loop fabrikate wat Francois daar genoem het se jy void die “waranty” op die loop sou jy hom flute maar meeste fabrieke doen dit al as n custom opsie as jy n spesifieke profile bestel. Daar is baie toetse oor dit gedoen en party se die loop kan begin skeef skiet as hy warm word agv die flutes en ander se weer dit maak niks, ek dink Bartlein het n toets gedoen en gevind dat button rifled lope nie van flutes hou nie
Ja my Broughton (button) loop het gladnie gehou van die flutes op hom nie. Kyk net hoe swak het hy geskiet!

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Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:08 pm
by Geno
O ja, my Walther (button) loop hou ook gladnie van die flutes op hom nie.

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Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:14 pm
by Geno
My Krieger (cut rifled) lope is ook maar nukkerig met hulle flutes.

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Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:16 pm
by Xplicitly
Lyk my ek sal my lope moet laat flute dat ek ok so swak kan skiet. Hahahaha

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Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:29 pm
by Ajviljoen260rem
Geno,

Vir intressantheid het jy een van die lope geweeg voordat flutes gedoen is?

Sal graag wil weet wat hulle geweeg het voor en na flutes.

Groete Adriaan

Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:57 pm
by Capt. Yoda
Geno wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:06 pm
Capt. Oblivious wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:47 pm Van daai loop fabrikate wat Francois daar genoem het se jy void die “waranty” op die loop sou jy hom flute maar meeste fabrieke doen dit al as n custom opsie as jy n spesifieke profile bestel. Daar is baie toetse oor dit gedoen en party se die loop kan begin skeef skiet as hy warm word agv die flutes en ander se weer dit maak niks, ek dink Bartlein het n toets gedoen en gevind dat button rifled lope nie van flutes hou nie
Ja my Broughton (button) loop het gladnie gehou van die flutes op hom nie. Kyk net hoe swak het hy geskiet!

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Hy, dont shoot the mesanger. Onthou ook nie elke ou weet wat hy doen nie, ek weet van 2 lope (n krieger en een local brand) wat hier geflute is en na dit nooit weer selle was nie. Of dit die flutes was sal mens seker nie weet nie

Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:26 pm
by Geno
Ajviljoen260rem wrote:Geno,

Vir intressantheid het jy een van die lope geweeg voordat flutes gedoen is?

Sal graag wil weet wat hulle geweeg het voor en na flutes.

Groete Adriaan
Nee ek het nognie die toets gedoen nie.

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Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:27 pm
by Geno

Capt. Oblivious wrote: Hy, dont shoot the mesanger. Onthou ook nie elke ou weet wat hy doen nie, ek weet van 2 lope (n krieger en een local brand) wat hier geflute is en na dit nooit weer selle was nie. Of dit die flutes was sal mens seker nie weet nie
Dis maar soos lope profiel Pel. Nie almal weet hoe om dit te doen sonder om die staal onder stres te sit nie.

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Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:24 pm
by savage(P Coetzer)
Ekt n 28” Brux heavy varmint laat flute en 500g afgeskud. Maak n moerse verskil aan sy balans. Skiet steeds n koekhou na sy fluting

Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:28 pm
by Albertdwk
Geno, as dit nou een fabrikaat is wat pla, kon ek jou glo, maar nie almal nie. Dink jy moet maar die probleem by die skut soek!

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Re: Lope

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:17 pm
by Trompie
Geno wrote:
Capt. Oblivious wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:47 pm Van daai loop fabrikate wat Francois daar genoem het se jy void die “waranty” op die loop sou jy hom flute maar meeste fabrieke doen dit al as n custom opsie as jy n spesifieke profile bestel. Daar is baie toetse oor dit gedoen en party se die loop kan begin skeef skiet as hy warm word agv die flutes en ander se weer dit maak niks, ek dink Bartlein het n toets gedoen en gevind dat button rifled lope nie van flutes hou nie
Ja my Broughton (button) loop het gladnie gehou van die flutes op hom nie. Kyk net hoe swak het hy geskiet!

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Nee daai is swak...jy kan nie eers die kol raakskiet nie Image

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Re: Lope

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:34 pm
by Ajviljoen260rem
As mens kyk na die grooves wat hulle voorstel is 5R en 4 ens is daar een wat meer akkuraat is as ander een??

Cappie hier is waarna jy verwys het:

“Does fluting do anything for accuracy?—

Depends on how the barrel is made. I would never flute a button rifled barrel. Why? Button rifling induces a lot of stress into the steel.”

Maar Geno het hulle al verkeed bewys.

Groete Adriaan

Re: Lope

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:15 pm
by Capt. Yoda
Soos ek en Geno half grapgewys aan geraak het dink ek nie somer n loop wat reg geflute is gaan n probleem he nie maar as mens dink aan hoe baie garage gunsmiths daar in die US is is dit seker beter vir n loop maker om te se manne moet eder nie flute nie. Soos meeste dinge in die wereld hang dit maar af van die apie agter die masjien wat die werk doen.

Accuracy international het lank terug n toets gedoen en ek dink dit is waar die hele gesprek begin het.

One design change that resulted from AI’s exhaustive accuracy testing and development of the PSR [Precision Sniper Rifle] is the removal of flutes from the barrels. Engineers at AI decided to isolate the barrel flutes to see what impact they had on accuracy. The engineers attached a laser to the rifle’s receiver, another to the barrel, and a third to the scope. All three dots were zeroed at the same point, then they started shooting the rifle. They discovered that, no matter which fluted barrel they used, the dots would diverge as the barrel heated. The dots from the devices mounted to the scope and the receiver would stay in place, but the barrel’s device would manifest a point-of-impact (POI) shift. The POI shift from the warming barrel greatly diminished when they used barrels without flutes.
Engineers determined that the flutes never heated evenly, causing the POI shift. I hope the results of this test gain wide circulation through the sniper and long-range shooting communities to help eliminate some of the ignorance that surrounds the perceived advantages of barrel flutes. Flutes are great for shaving weight, but this is the first test I’ve heard that provided empirical data detailing what happens when the barrel is fluted. This should be the death of the “they cool a barrel faster, so they’re more accurate” argument, listed among flutes’ virtues. Our goal is and should always be to mitigate the effects of heat; fluting exacerbates it.

Hier is natuurlik baie goed wat n rol kan speel in so toets en mens weet ook nou nie hoe warm warm is nie. As jy n loop skiet todat jy n eier op hom kan bak is poi wat skuif maar net een van jou toekomstige probleme en gaan baie lope self sonder flutes heel moontlik ook n probleem gee

Re: Lope

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:23 am
by figjam
As ek so kyk na die fotos veroorsaak die fluting net n klomp flyers! 😄

Goeie info hier!

Re: Lope

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:26 am
by Pinkes
Victor_ wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:18 pm Jammer, ook bietjie van die topic af.

Word daar pre-fit lope vir Howa’s en Tikka’s in RSA verkoop?

Is daar nie ‘n mark hiervoor nie?

Groete Victor


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Re: Lope

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:41 pm
by JPS
Herme en oom Rob wat saam F klas skiet het beide 300WSM's waarvan die lope geflute is.

Ek dink daai is twee van die mees akuraatse 300WSM F klas gewere in die land.

Op die 4 groef vs. 5R debat hierbo,

Beide die lope (300wsm's) is 4 groef lope, die 7mm loop op die 7SS wat Herme mee nou skiet is 'n 4 groef en skiet ook ongelooflik. My een 284 Win 4 Groef Krieger skiet bitter goed. So weet ek van 'n paar ander 4 groef lope wat ongelooflik skiet.

Maar dan is daar paar manne wat F klas skiet wat ongelooflik goed skiet met 5 R lope ook.

So wat ek eintlik wil sê is dat meeste van die bekende naam soos genoem in bogaande posts, hetsy 4 groef of 5R oor die algemeen baie beter gaan kan skiet as wat ons in staat is. Solank hy mooi gekamer is is jou kans 99% dat hy great sal skiet.