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OosKaapJagter wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:34 pm Volhoubaarheid van elektriese voertuie?......

So vinnige Google soektog (Ford losses on ev) dui daarop dat Ford maar net 'n verlies van 4,5 miljard dollar hierdie jaar verwag op hulle elektriese voertuie. Hulle maak 'n verlies van 32 000 dollar per elektriese voertuig wat hulle verkoop.
Laas jaar oook 2.5 Biljoen $ verloor op die storie
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Ford spook seker nog om die hoë koste van navorsing en ontwikkeling (R&D) te bowe te kom en om hopelik vorentoe by massa vervaardiging uit te kom, wat vervaardigingskoste per eenheid gewoonlik verlaag. ;)
What was Tesla's recent profit? - 20 Jul 2023 -
Tesla profits climb despite price cuts. Tesla reported a much bigger than expected increase in profits, despite a series of price cuts that trimmed the amount of revenue per vehicle sold. Tesla (TSLA) reported adjusted earnings of $3.1 billion, or 91 cents a share, up 20% from the second quarter last year.

How much profit is made on a Tesla?
Tesla's profit margin per car in 2022 was $9580, compared to over $6000 in 2021 and over $1700 in 2020.
As Tesla was working toward mass manufacturing in 2020, the company's profitability per car increased.
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Ek het Dinsdag die 2 mense by die van Rooyensnek grenspos naby Wepener gekry. Fascinating. Met Maarten gepraat en hy sê hulle ry so 400-450km op 'n full charge. Sondag by hulle verbygery by die Gariep dam waar hulle gekamp het.

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Ek was gisteraand na n hokkiewedstryd amper om gery deur n fency Beamer EV wat weg trek uit n parkeering. Geen engin start klank om mens se aandag te trek nie, net ewe skielik begin die wiele draai van die kar waarby ek verby stap. EV bestuurders sal moet wakkerder as die normal bestuurder wees, wil nie weet hoeveel ongelukke n EV taxis so gaan maak nie...
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Finch, ek dink ons klomp sal gelukkig al in die grond wees teen die tyd wat daat n EV Taxi rond ry
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Asseblief tog, net nie 'n vroeë heengaan net as gevolg van EV's nie :confused: :):
by Capt. Yoda » 04 Aug 2023 10:00

Finch, ek dink ons klomp sal gelukkig al in die grond wees teen die tyd wat daat n EV Taxi rond ry
Met net hierdie in gedagte kan ons almal moontlik baat vind sou die regering dié 40% ophef.
There remains an over 40% import duty on EVs as of July 13, but Coetzee believes government should rather subsidise or incentivise the use of EVs.
Electric minibus taxi rollout.
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Sla jou n R100 wet jy sal nie n E Taxi in jou lewe in SA sien nie
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Capt. Yoda » 05 Aug 2023 08:50

Sla jou n R100 wet jy sal nie n E Taxi in jou lewe in SA sien nie
As jy só seker is van jou saak, maak dit R 10 000 en die weddenskap is aan.
Begin solank spaar, boeta ;)
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TFDADD wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:11 pm
Capt. Yoda » 05 Aug 2023 08:50

Sla jou n R100 wet jy sal nie n E Taxi in jou lewe in SA sien nie
As jy só seker is van jou saak, maak dit R 10 000 en die weddenskap is aan.
Begin solank spaar, boeta ;)
Besef jy wat die regering sal moet investeur om die ding n werklikheid te maak. Ek bly in Sandton en hier is 1000de Taxi’s op William Nicol elke dag waar gaan hulle die chargers bou om die taxis te charge nadat hulle hul ogend trip gedoen het? In Lanseria waar daar plek is?
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Dit gaan oor die groot rooi vetgedrukte, oorspronklike skrywe van jou, meer spesifiek die onderstreepte gedeelte, moenie nou ander stories opper nie.

Is die R 10 000 weddenskap aan- Ja of Nee?
TFDADD » 05 Aug 2023 12:11
Capt. Yoda » 05 Aug 2023 08:50

Sla jou n R100 wet jy sal nie n E Taxi in jou lewe in SA sien nie
As jy só seker is van jou saak, maak dit R 10 000 en die weddenskap is aan.
Begin solank spaar, boeta ;)
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Vergeet maar van die weddenskap, kom ons kyk eers hoe lank nog voordat ons die eerste EV taxi in SA sal sien aankom.
Booysen told Wheels24 the electric minibus is mostly likely to arrive in the Western Cape within the next two to three months if just one more needed component could be sourced. He also said that despite its looks, the EV taxi is not a Toyota Quantum, but it is based on this vehicle. He thus could not reveal the make or model of the one heading this way.
How long before EV minibuses could become a reality in SA?
So let's say all the data collection and research pays off in 2023, and the results are positive; how long before EV minibuses could become a reality in SA?

"I am probably overly optimistic, but let me put it this way. Golden Arrow has been running two electric buses for about a year, and they are looking to convert their fleet", says Booysen.

"It is a no-brainer and makes financial sense. As soon as that penny drops with the business-savvy taxi owners, demand will very quickly outstrip supply. For me, the challenge is to prepare our local vehicle manufacturing to be able to supply these vehicles locally. Otherwise we will sacrifice production jobs to other countries, which could have dire consequences on the vehicle manufacturing sector. I believe we will substantially increase electric taxis in the next five years."
Nog so bietjie meer oor wat in die stilligheid agter die skerms in SA gebeur om die tekort aan elektrisiteit wat ons beleef, te help verlig.

Hernubare energie verligting in wording.
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Nou begin die poppe dans met die groot geld wat begin stem dik maak in die verskaffing van EV laai fasiliteite in Suid Afrika.
GridCars is the biggest owner, operator and supplier of electric vehicle charging infrastructure within the country’s major cities, as well as along some of South Africa’s busiest highways.
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190 megawatt installasies is nou nie juis groot kapasiteit nasionaal nie. Kom ons kyk maar.
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Johan, die 190 MW is wat reeds bestaan.
Hopelik gaan veel groter en meer installasies met die nuwe opset nou volg.
The 13-year-old Solareff is a commercial and industrial (C&I) solar and battery platform in South Africa, with more than 500 projects to date, and more than 190 MW of installed capacity, including installations such as the largest rooftop solar photovoltaic solution in the southern hemisphere and Africa.
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TFDADD wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:59 pm Johan, die 190 MW is wat reeds bestaan.
Hopelik gaan veel groter en meer installasies met die nuwe opset nou volg.
The 13-year-old Solareff is a commercial and industrial (C&I) solar and battery platform in South Africa, with more than 500 projects to date, and more than 190 MW of installed capacity, including installations such as the largest rooftop solar photovoltaic solution in the southern hemisphere and Africa.
Dis die totale installasie vir die afgelope tien jaar. Hulle sal hulle pap moet eet om dit net te verdubbel, wat nog te sê 'n persentasie van die totale behoefte wat elektriese voertuie gaan benodig
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Soos jy sê Johan: "Kom ons kyk maar."

Hulle wys darem op die volgende mbt die groot geld - sien veral onderstreepte gedeelte in die aanhaling hierna:
Parallel to the acquisition of Solareff, Stanlib has also established Solareff Green, which offers capex-free energy solutions to C&I customers via power purchase agreements (PPAs).

This means Solareff Green will fund and own renewable power-generation facilities and/or storage facilities, which will then sell its generated power to customers.

Stanlib says it has committed “substantial capital” to fast-track the build-out of capex-free energy solutions for the C&I market through Solareff.
Bietjie meer plaaslike inligting oor hierdie selfde artikel om meer perspektief te gee.

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Nie te lank gelede nie (plasing van 14 Julie 2023), het Toyota die EV wêreld onkant betrap met hulle sogenaamde 745 myl reikwydte battery wat kwansuis in 10 minute kon herlaai - sien hierna:
Hoop Toyota se aansprake word bewaarheid.

“We’ll see.”
Om nou met 'n baster EV Hilux bakkie na vore te kom, klink vir my so al of hulle in die bostaande berig dik spek geskiet het.
Nou nie juis wat mens van Toyota verwag nie.

Introduction of a mild-hybrid Hilux bakkie in 2024.
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Die dat Ford duisende $ op elke EV verloor kan in my beskeie opinie maar met 'n goeie dessert lepel sout geneem word.

Daardie manne het ander maniere om somme te draai.

Onthou, die vervaardigers word gesubsidieer om doelwitte te bereik. Uncle Sam help sekerlik vir Ford uit met daardie verlies?

Ek koop dus nie die storie dat Ford 'n verlies maak maar, Tesla toon 'n wins nie?
Ek sal dit eerder só bewoord: Ford toon 'n verlies en Tesla maak wins.

Geen vervaardiger sal só groot verlies sommer net afskryf nie. Iewers moet dit vir hulle lonend wees.

Onthou julle toe Uncle Sam hulle vervaardigers uitgehelp het toe hulle in 2008 in die verknorsing was? Dit was winsgewend gewees om swaar te kry.
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Sal 'free energy', naamlik elektrisiteit, 'n realiteit word? Ons leef in interessante tye. As daai nuwe goedkoper prosesse ontdek word wat nie afhanklik is van stoom en water en diesmeer is EV die roete om te gaan. Wie weet wat in die volgende 1, 2, 10 jare geen gebeur. Die nuwe super conductor maak groot opslae.

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Die EV wêreld staan net mooi vir niks terug nie.
So ietsie hieroor in die onderstaande artikel.
The noise of water bumping against the front of the hull disappeared, allowing the slight whir of the electric motor to be heard for the first time. Locating the electric motors in the water on the rear foil insulates passengers from most of the noise they produce. This translates to an extremely smooth, nearly silent ride that feels like a dream.
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En hier gebeur dit toe, sommer so onder ons neuse.

Klein begin, word dalk groot gewin.
En dit sommer veel gouer as wat baie ander gedink het dit sal ooit gebeur ;)

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finch wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:41 am Ek was gisteraand na n hokkiewedstryd amper om gery deur n fency Beamer EV wat weg trek uit n parkeering. Geen engin start klank om mens se aandag te trek nie, net ewe skielik begin die wiele draai van die kar waarby ek verby stap. EV bestuurders sal moet wakkerder as die normal bestuurder wees, wil nie weet hoeveel ongelukke n EV taxis so gaan maak nie...
Ek het die naweek n lift in die spesifieke elektriese beamer gekry. Mensig was dit nou n ervaring, my mond hang nou nog oop. Wow. As ek n miljoen rand het wat rondlê is my volgende kar elektries.
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savage(P Coetzer),
soos wat die ou dan uiteindelik uitwys, is dit 'n kwessie van: 'Better management of potential risks as it is in all cases.'

Die brand aanboord van die skip wat EV's vervoer het, is dus nie direk toe te skryf aan die teenwoordigheid van EV's nie, maar wel swak bestuur en beheer van skeepseienaars met betrekking tot potensiële risikos, van watter aard ookal.
The cause of the fire, while still officially undetermined, has raised questions about "what blind spots there are when transporting electric cars powered by batteries - which when they catch fire can't be extinguished with water, or even by oxygen deprivation," said Nathan Habers, spokesperson for the Royal Association of Netherlands Shipowners (KVNR).

"The first question that comes to mind is: Does the current code stack up against the risk profile of this type of goods?" he added.

One hazard in lithium-ion batteries is "thermal runaway," a rapid and unstoppable increase in temperature that leads to fires in EVs that are hard to extinguish and can spontaneously reignite.

Fire extinguishing systems on the massive ships that haul cars weren't designed for those hotter fires, and shipping companies and regulators are scrambling to catch up, said Douglas Dillon, executive director of the Tri-state Maritime Safety Association that covers Delaware, Pennsylvania and New Jersey.
Meer daaroor hierna uit 'n betroubare bron:

Ocean shippers playing catch up.
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So bietjie van alles hier uit Indië, maar let veral op die volgende hierna.
ELECTRIC AMBITIONS
When it comes to new-energy vehicles, Mahindra will not develop hybrids, says Nakra, but rather jump straight into battery electric vehicles (BEVs).

Within this segment, the manufacturer opted for lithium-iron-phosphate batteries, which do not require cobalt, nickel or manganese. They are also roughly 15% cheaper than lithium-ion batteries.

Mahindra has unveiled a development programme that will see its first BEV go on sale at the end of next year.

The company will have a dedicated BE electric model range, but will also electrify its Thar, Scorpio, Bolero and XUV ranges.
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