Chokes ?

[MADFIN]

Hi
Ek het die week met my nuwe U/A n paar duiwe gaan skiet . Nou wil ek weet wat is die beste CHOKE kombinasie on te he? Ek kom mooi reg met my eerste loop ( die boonste een ) maar het nie baie geluk met die tweede een nie , Is dit die choke ? of die een agter die geweer ?  ons het met 28g 7.5 geskiet en die duiwe het na ons toe gevlieg 
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[Beretta]

Ek skiet altyd met die onderste loop 3/4 boonste loop full. As jy jou kop af hou en deur volg sal baie van jou probleme ook weg wees asook jou lead. Werk vir my
Beretta

[Beyers]

Madfin
Los moer agter die roer
Hou jou kop op die kolf
Moenie ophou swaai nie of te wel volg die skoot deur

Ek skiet met die choke wat in die geweer is, ek vergeet die ander in my kleiduif baadjie. Dus kan dit skeet wees as ek laaste skeet geskiet het of Modified en full as ek trench geskiet het

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die meeste o/u skiet eers die onderste loop maar ja 3/4 is goed

[obasch]

die meeste o/u skiet eers die onderste loop maar ja 3/4 is goed

Hang af waar jou selector op gestel is

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abasch
meeste goeie hael gewere het nie selectors nie en skiet altyd onderste loop eerste

[Bosmeerkat]

Madfin - kyk onder die topics - ek het 'n artikel geplaas DIE TAAL VAN DIE HAELGEWEER MANNE.  Deel 1 en 2.  Miskien kom jy iets wys daar.

[obasch]

abasch
meeste goeie hael gewere het nie selectors nie en skiet altyd onderste loop eerste

Ek mag dalk verkeerd wees, maar ek dink nie so nie. In SA is daar meer O/U's met selectors as daarsonder. Berettas het, Brownings het, Rugers het.

[Dimitri]

abasch
meeste goeie hael gewere het nie selectors nie en skiet altyd onderste loop eerste

Ek mag dalk verkeerd wees, maar ek dink nie so nie. In SA is daar meer O/U's met selectors as daarsonder. Berettas het, Brownings het, Rugers het.

Oscar, you are quite right.

Just about all new shotguns - ranging from entry-level quality to top of the range - have selectors. Normally, the selector is combined with the safety catch. A simple flick to the left or the right allows you to choose which barrel will fire first - the top (over) or the bottom (under). Guns that have no selector normally have two triggers and in that case the front trigger fires the bottom barrel and the back trigger fires the top barrel.

In all over & under shotguns I have ever come across or heard of the bottom barrel (which is normally fired first) has a more open choke than the top barrel. There are lots of combinations you could use i.t.o. choke. I started with 1/4 choke (under) and full choke (over) but later changed my top choke to 3/4. I have not changed that combination in more than 12 years and it's worked fine for me. It's probably a good combo unless you concentrate on high-flying ducks and geese in which case tighter chokes would probably be better. 

[Beretta]

Dimitri
Chokes can ba a pain in the butt. The choke aftermerket in the the USA is huge.I shoot trap with a single barrel Beretta trap gun and use a full choke for that.My hunting shotgun i use 3/4 bottom and top full choke. I think it is more important also to know the pattern of your shotgun. Dont keep changing chokes it is like i have said a pain.Net my mening
Beretta

[Dimitri]

Agree, Beretta.

That's why I haven't changed mine on my Beretta for more than 12 years.

On my FIAS where I had to shorten the barrel I have a fixed cylinder (u) and 3/4 (o) screw-in. That combo also works fine.

On my Miroku double-trigger the chokes are fixed 1/4 (u) and full (o). Also happy with this when I use it.

Most of my shooting was done over dogs where the birds flushed close-by and so 1/4 choke was more than adequate for the first shot and 3/4 also good for the second shot when the birds were further out. I just stuck with that combo when dove/pigeon shooting and also when I no longer had dogs. Worked for me. I'm kind of the same with my rifles - I stick to one load e.g. 180gr Swift A-frames in my 30-06 regardless of where I am hunting. I don't do 150gr for open plains, 180gr for open bushveld and 220gr for thick bush.

Another wingshooter will tell you that he changes his chokes each time depending on where he is hunting and what he is hunting. And that is what works for him.

MADFIN, back to your original question. The fact that you are firing the top barrel first may be the problem. If, as is normal, your top (o) barrel has the tighter choke then by the time you fire your second (u) barrel the birds may be out of effective range given that the bottom barrel normally has a more open choke and will be slightly less effective at longer range.

Try using cylinder to 1/2 choke in the bottom barrel and 3/4 to full choke in the top and make sure you select the bottom barrel to fire first. Then find a load that patterns well and you will be fine.

Let us know if you've sorted it out.

Dimitri

[Vlakvark]

Almal se altyd skiet die onderste loop eerste. Ek het altyd die boonste loop eerste geskiet want ek het gedink hy is bo en nader aan die oog en makliker om op target te kom. Ek is nie 'n haalgeweer man nie, en ken nie. Ek het die naweek wat verby is 'n man skietbaan toe geneen wat nog nooit geskiet het nie. Daar by die beginners het hulle hom gewys hoe en hy het so 50 skote geskiet. Ek het ook probeer. Toe sien die instrukteer ek sit my rondte in die boonste loop. Toe se hy ek moet die onderste loop gebruik want hy is by die "hinge" waar die wapen op sy sterkste is,en dit jou wapen langer sal laat hou

[Dimitri]

Hi Vlakvark

It's actually a very interesting question as to WHY the bottom barrel is fired first? All the fixed barrel o/u's manufactured were made to fire the bottom barrel first. Fixed barrel s/s's were made to fire the right barrel first as the left was more tightly choked. Competition guns more often than not do not have selectors and they too are made to fire the bottom barrel first. Today, just about ALL field guns have selectors so, if we can choose anyway, why the bottom barrel first?

Perhaps there is merit in what the instructor told you about increasing the lifespan of the gun? I don't know.

The best explanation I have ever heard is that, although the actual recoil when firing either barrel is the same, apparently when the bottom barrel is fired it lifts the barrels less than when the top barrel is fired. So when firing the bottom barrel first it allows the shooter to align quicker on the departing bird. Seems plausible?

If that is the case then I wonder why in s/s guns the right barrel was always made to fire first? Surely the alignment theory doesn't apply there?

Shotguns experts come in here please ....

[Beretta]

Vlakvark
Ek dink jou antwoord is reg. Jy het gewoontlik net een skoot per klei as jy trap ata skiet. Ja my geweer het twee stelle lope met die bottom sigle loop. So as jy lope verander dan is die selector klaar select vir die onderste loop.
So ja skiet maar altyd die onderste een eerste.
Beretta