Naand almal
Ek sal graag Barnes tsx in my 300H&H wil skiet.
Ek kyk na 180 en 200grn en sal graag wil weet watter ingevoerde kruit om te gebruik.
Sover kry ek resepte vir gewone punte maar nie vir monos nie.
Ek het gister 180grn A frames uit getoets met Imr 4350.DIe terugskop was uiters ongemaklik.Ek kan dit net as n baie vinnige impuls beskryf.
My resep tot nou toe was 200grn Accubonds gelaai met S385 vir 2780fps maar sal graag wil verander na iets nuuts.
Is ek reg as ek se dat Norma mrp die beste plaasvervanger vir S385 sou wees.
EK sal ook 200grn A frames probeer as die geweer dit wil skiet.
Dankie
Johan
300H&H herlaai data met Barnes tsx
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Re: 300H&H herlaai data met Barnes tsx
If you have a 24 inch barrel or longer:afrikanerbloed wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:14 pm Naand almal
Ek sal graag Barnes tsx in my 300H&H wil skiet.
Ek kyk na 180 en 200grn en sal graag wil weet watter ingevoerde kruit om te gebruik.
Sover kry ek resepte vir gewone punte maar nie vir monos nie.
Ek het gister 180grn A frames uit getoets met Imr 4350.DIe terugskop was uiters ongemaklik.Ek kan dit net as n baie vinnige impuls beskryf.
My resep tot nou toe was 200grn Accubonds gelaai met S385 vir 2780fps maar sal graag wil verander na iets nuuts.
Is ek reg as ek se dat Norma mrp die beste plaasvervanger vir S385 sou wees.
EK sal ook 200grn A frames probeer as die geweer dit wil skiet.
Dankie
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Re: 300H&H herlaai data met Barnes tsx
Hallo Johan
Ek self laai vir my 300 H&H.
Gebruik tans IMR 4350 en 200gr Woodleigh punte teen 2800fps. Gaan ook binne kort 200gr A- Frames begin laai.
Die amerikaaners praat met baie lof oor H4831.
R22, IMR 4359 en 2209 is ook n opsie.
Hoop dit help
Ek self laai vir my 300 H&H.
Gebruik tans IMR 4350 en 200gr Woodleigh punte teen 2800fps. Gaan ook binne kort 200gr A- Frames begin laai.
Die amerikaaners praat met baie lof oor H4831.
R22, IMR 4359 en 2209 is ook n opsie.
Hoop dit help
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Re: 300H&H herlaai data met Barnes tsx
I shoot the 200gr TSX in my 300H&H using RL-26 and I'm very happy with the powder (and accuracy - my rifle loves TSX's). 200gr A-Frames also work well with this combo!
I'm using RL-26 for 180gr bullets too.
I'm using RL-26 for 180gr bullets too.
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Re: 300H&H herlaai data met Barnes tsx
I've tried H4831 and also H4350 in the 300H&H and I couldn't come right with it. (Could just be me and my rifle)
For me, RL-26 is by far the best that I've used in this rifle so far. The actual performance is very close to software predictions, accuracy has been excellent too.
After RL-26, I would try Norma MRP - I've got no complaints using it too. The MRP just doesn't have 100% burn compared to the RL-26 - so the software says.
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Re: 300H&H herlaai data met Barnes tsx
Baie Dankie almal.
Ek sal kyk wat ek in die hande kan kry.
Vriendelike groete
Johan
Ek sal kyk wat ek in die hande kan kry.
Vriendelike groete
Johan
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Re: 300H&H herlaai data met Barnes tsx
Net vir interresantheid ek laai my 300H&H met 68gr S365 met barnes 168gr teen so 2980ft/s en hy skiet als dood.
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Re: 300H&H herlaai data met Barnes tsx
Goeie naand
Hierdie is 'n ouer draad maar ek deel graag. Ek werk ook aan my 300H&H se lading.
Werk tans met RL19. (kry nie rerig die poeiers soos hierbo genoem nie en H4350 nie so goed vir 200gr nie)
Huidiglik kry ek so +- 2800 vps met 200gr Barnes TSX.
Looplengte: 24.8 duim
Doppe: Norma
Lading: 65.6gr
TPL: +-89.5mm
Punt: Barnes TSX 200gr
Dop volume: nie gemeet nie
Het eers net neck sizing gedoen met Lee matrys maar na 3 keer se gebruik lig die slot op die laaste uitdraai nie meer so maklik nie. Dus weer terug na vollengte matrys en probleem opgelos. Gaan ook nou begin anneal. Sal sien wat die verskil is.
Het goeie SD van onder 5 gekry met slegs nek matrys, 65.6gr en TPL van 89.5mm. Na die oefening eers die "bullet comparator" lesings geneem en ook die OAL metings met die balistix toestel gemeet. Dit wil voorkom of ek werk met 'n +-1.05mm sprong tot die lande. Ek het ook 89.3mm en 89.7mm getoets. Maar die het nie beter SD gehad nie en ook nie wonderlik groepeer nie.
Plan is om 200gr Nosler AB ook te toets. Sien volgens Nosler se herlaai data dat RL19 ook gebruik kan word en goeie akkuraatheid kan gee. Ander ladings wat ek ook het maar voel te "warm" is vir RL19 is 66.0gr wat maklik 2850 tot 2860 vps gee. 66.5gr wat selfs 2900vps haal. Op 'n warm dag kan die spoed lekker klim.
Hierdie is 'n ouer draad maar ek deel graag. Ek werk ook aan my 300H&H se lading.
Werk tans met RL19. (kry nie rerig die poeiers soos hierbo genoem nie en H4350 nie so goed vir 200gr nie)
Huidiglik kry ek so +- 2800 vps met 200gr Barnes TSX.
Looplengte: 24.8 duim
Doppe: Norma
Lading: 65.6gr
TPL: +-89.5mm
Punt: Barnes TSX 200gr
Dop volume: nie gemeet nie
Het eers net neck sizing gedoen met Lee matrys maar na 3 keer se gebruik lig die slot op die laaste uitdraai nie meer so maklik nie. Dus weer terug na vollengte matrys en probleem opgelos. Gaan ook nou begin anneal. Sal sien wat die verskil is.
Het goeie SD van onder 5 gekry met slegs nek matrys, 65.6gr en TPL van 89.5mm. Na die oefening eers die "bullet comparator" lesings geneem en ook die OAL metings met die balistix toestel gemeet. Dit wil voorkom of ek werk met 'n +-1.05mm sprong tot die lande. Ek het ook 89.3mm en 89.7mm getoets. Maar die het nie beter SD gehad nie en ook nie wonderlik groepeer nie.
Plan is om 200gr Nosler AB ook te toets. Sien volgens Nosler se herlaai data dat RL19 ook gebruik kan word en goeie akkuraatheid kan gee. Ander ladings wat ek ook het maar voel te "warm" is vir RL19 is 66.0gr wat maklik 2850 tot 2860 vps gee. 66.5gr wat selfs 2900vps haal. Op 'n warm dag kan die spoed lekker klim.
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Re: 300H&H herlaai data met Barnes tsx
Ek het 168gr TTSX gekies en dit is wat QL aanbeveel. Barnes stel 'n sprong van 1.6mm voor, terwyl ek nog altyd 2mm promoveer het vir monos. Jy het nie swaar koeëls nodig as jy monos gebruik nie.
Cartridge : .300 H.& H. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 168, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30878
Useable Case Capaci: 73.704 grain H2O = 4.786 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 57000 psi, or 393 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
62 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C 98,8 71,5 4,63 3058 99,3 57000 12154 1,138 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T 92,5 65,9 4,27 3055 100,0 57000 11188 1,142 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 *C 100,0 73,0 4,73 3054 99,9 53549 12465 1,182 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 91,5 65,2 4,22 3029 100,0 57000 11114 1,149 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 91,5 65,2 4,22 3029 100,0 57000 11114 1,149 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 96,2 63,7 4,13 3022 100,0 57000 11126 1,143 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C 100,0 70,9 4,59 3000 98,3 52682 12304 1,191
ReloadSwiss RS 62 94,8 67,5 4,37 2998 99,9 57000 11236 1,169 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 97,9 66,2 4,29 2997 100,0 57000 10617 1,165 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 96,8 67,9 4,40 2994 99,2 57000 11434 1,157 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 93,0 67,3 4,36 2993 99,4 57000 11370 1,158 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 100,0 67,6 4,38 2992 97,5 57000 11523 1,143 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 96,0 67,4 4,37 2991 99,4 57000 11354 1,158 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 90,6 65,1 4,22 2986 98,9 57000 11349 1,160 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 90,6 65,1 4,22 2986 98,9 57000 11349 1,160 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C 100,0 67,9 4,40 2975 97,4 56098 11539 1,160 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C 95,5 64,2 4,16 2974 99,9 57000 10927 1,165 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 95,5 64,2 4,16 2974 99,9 57000 10924 1,165 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C 92,7 64,4 4,17 2972 99,9 57000 11042 1,170 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 94,9 64,5 4,18 2970 100,0 57000 10922 1,183 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C 86,4 64,0 4,15 2969 100,0 57000 10818 1,161 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 98,4 66,8 4,33 2964 97,3 57000 11272 1,153 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 98,4 66,8 4,33 2964 97,3 57000 11272 1,153 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C 95,3 66,8 4,33 2964 97,3 57000 11272 1,153 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 100,0 69,8 4,52 2958 95,2 52602 11923 1,182
SNPE Vectan SP 11 89,1 62,5 4,05 2954 100,0 57000 10496 1,163 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 100,0 65,1 4,22 2950 100,0 56567 10690 1,178 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 86,3 62,4 4,05 2949 100,0 57000 10397 1,164 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 86,7 60,8 3,94 2947 100,0 57000 10209 1,171 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 100,0 67,9 4,40 2946 97,2 54809 11381 1,173 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation 96,0 66,2 4,29 2944 98,7 57000 10941 1,167 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 99,3 71,1 4,61 2943 97,4 57000 11015 1,157 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 85,8 58,3 3,78 2942 100,0 57000 10389 1,171 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 98,1 64,5 4,18 2939 100,0 57000 10084 1,163 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 86,6 58,9 3,81 2935 100,0 57000 10369 1,171 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C 86,6 58,9 3,81 2935 100,0 57000 10369 1,171 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 86,6 58,9 3,81 2935 100,0 57000 10369 1,171 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N555 *C*T 100,0 66,6 4,32 2935 99,9 52247 11180 1,226
Somchem S385 100,0 68,7 4,45 2933 98,2 55658 11076 1,186 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C 87,0 59,1 3,83 2932 100,0 57000 10278 1,172 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 99,1 66,4 4,30 2931 96,3 57000 10940 1,157 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C 100,0 69,4 4,50 2930 94,1 50211 12106 1,216
Lovex S070 95,1 63,9 4,14 2929 99,0 57000 10763 1,176 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 88,0 61,1 3,96 2928 99,8 57000 10518 1,175 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 *T 97,7 64,9 4,21 2927 98,3 57000 10699 1,159 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 95,9 64,8 4,20 2927 98,4 57000 10682 1,159 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 81,9 60,7 3,93 2925 100,0 57000 10122 1,176 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT *C ~approximation 90,1 61,7 4,00 2924 99,1 57000 10435 1,146 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 88,3 60,7 3,93 2922 100,0 57000 10123 1,187 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 88,3 60,7 3,93 2922 100,0 57000 10123 1,187 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 84,9 61,5 3,98 2921 99,8 57000 10390 1,165 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 88,6 59,2 3,84 2921 100,0 57000 10007 1,156 ! Near Maximum !
Cartridge : .300 H.& H. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 168, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30878
Useable Case Capaci: 73.704 grain H2O = 4.786 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 57000 psi, or 393 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
62 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C 98,8 71,5 4,63 3058 99,3 57000 12154 1,138 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T 92,5 65,9 4,27 3055 100,0 57000 11188 1,142 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 *C 100,0 73,0 4,73 3054 99,9 53549 12465 1,182 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 91,5 65,2 4,22 3029 100,0 57000 11114 1,149 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 91,5 65,2 4,22 3029 100,0 57000 11114 1,149 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 96,2 63,7 4,13 3022 100,0 57000 11126 1,143 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C 100,0 70,9 4,59 3000 98,3 52682 12304 1,191
ReloadSwiss RS 62 94,8 67,5 4,37 2998 99,9 57000 11236 1,169 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 97,9 66,2 4,29 2997 100,0 57000 10617 1,165 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 96,8 67,9 4,40 2994 99,2 57000 11434 1,157 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 93,0 67,3 4,36 2993 99,4 57000 11370 1,158 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 100,0 67,6 4,38 2992 97,5 57000 11523 1,143 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 96,0 67,4 4,37 2991 99,4 57000 11354 1,158 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 90,6 65,1 4,22 2986 98,9 57000 11349 1,160 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 90,6 65,1 4,22 2986 98,9 57000 11349 1,160 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C 100,0 67,9 4,40 2975 97,4 56098 11539 1,160 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C 95,5 64,2 4,16 2974 99,9 57000 10927 1,165 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 95,5 64,2 4,16 2974 99,9 57000 10924 1,165 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C 92,7 64,4 4,17 2972 99,9 57000 11042 1,170 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 94,9 64,5 4,18 2970 100,0 57000 10922 1,183 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C 86,4 64,0 4,15 2969 100,0 57000 10818 1,161 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 98,4 66,8 4,33 2964 97,3 57000 11272 1,153 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 98,4 66,8 4,33 2964 97,3 57000 11272 1,153 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C 95,3 66,8 4,33 2964 97,3 57000 11272 1,153 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 100,0 69,8 4,52 2958 95,2 52602 11923 1,182
SNPE Vectan SP 11 89,1 62,5 4,05 2954 100,0 57000 10496 1,163 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 100,0 65,1 4,22 2950 100,0 56567 10690 1,178 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 86,3 62,4 4,05 2949 100,0 57000 10397 1,164 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 86,7 60,8 3,94 2947 100,0 57000 10209 1,171 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 100,0 67,9 4,40 2946 97,2 54809 11381 1,173 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation 96,0 66,2 4,29 2944 98,7 57000 10941 1,167 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 99,3 71,1 4,61 2943 97,4 57000 11015 1,157 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 85,8 58,3 3,78 2942 100,0 57000 10389 1,171 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 98,1 64,5 4,18 2939 100,0 57000 10084 1,163 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 86,6 58,9 3,81 2935 100,0 57000 10369 1,171 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C 86,6 58,9 3,81 2935 100,0 57000 10369 1,171 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 86,6 58,9 3,81 2935 100,0 57000 10369 1,171 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N555 *C*T 100,0 66,6 4,32 2935 99,9 52247 11180 1,226
Somchem S385 100,0 68,7 4,45 2933 98,2 55658 11076 1,186 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C 87,0 59,1 3,83 2932 100,0 57000 10278 1,172 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 99,1 66,4 4,30 2931 96,3 57000 10940 1,157 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C 100,0 69,4 4,50 2930 94,1 50211 12106 1,216
Lovex S070 95,1 63,9 4,14 2929 99,0 57000 10763 1,176 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 88,0 61,1 3,96 2928 99,8 57000 10518 1,175 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 *T 97,7 64,9 4,21 2927 98,3 57000 10699 1,159 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 95,9 64,8 4,20 2927 98,4 57000 10682 1,159 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 81,9 60,7 3,93 2925 100,0 57000 10122 1,176 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT *C ~approximation 90,1 61,7 4,00 2924 99,1 57000 10435 1,146 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 88,3 60,7 3,93 2922 100,0 57000 10123 1,187 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 88,3 60,7 3,93 2922 100,0 57000 10123 1,187 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 84,9 61,5 3,98 2921 99,8 57000 10390 1,165 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 88,6 59,2 3,84 2921 100,0 57000 10007 1,156 ! Near Maximum !
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Re: 300H&H herlaai data met Barnes tsx
Ek self het n paar toetse gedoen met 300H&H(26 duim) met die Barnes produk. Ek sien in my notas dat ek Barnes vir omtrent 3 jaar gebruik het. 2010-2013.
180grn TSX S365 59.8grn CC250 2948fs 17mm groep
150grn TSX S365 66.1grn PMP magnum 12mm groep. ek sien nie n aantekening oor spoed nie.
Ek het later 150grn TTSX probeer en op dieselfde lading gestop. Rapsie kleiner groep op 10.7mm
Vandag skiet ek net mono's 180grn op die 300. Nou wel nie Barnes nie. Ek het ook my spoed(180grn) verlaag na 2852fs
180grn TSX S365 59.8grn CC250 2948fs 17mm groep
150grn TSX S365 66.1grn PMP magnum 12mm groep. ek sien nie n aantekening oor spoed nie.
Ek het later 150grn TTSX probeer en op dieselfde lading gestop. Rapsie kleiner groep op 10.7mm
Vandag skiet ek net mono's 180grn op die 300. Nou wel nie Barnes nie. Ek het ook my spoed(180grn) verlaag na 2852fs
Ek jag miskien te veel, maar dit is nogsteeds nie genoeg nie!
