260 Rem or 243 Win ??

[Roy Sparks]

I have a Pre'64 Win rifle in 243 featherweight. Its got to have its 3rd barrel fitted.

I have heard a lot of good reports about the 260 Rem and was wondering about converting for this cartridge instead of 243 Win.

I would like expert opinions please.

[Pvdw]

Roy ek sien baie manne lees maar ek dink daai "expert" wat jy daar geskryf het maak meeste manne ligtig om te antwoord.

Om die wiel aan die rol te kry sal dit help as jy net noem wat die geweer se aanwending gaan wees??

[Roy Sparks]

Dankie vir die antwoord.

My 243 Win is my eerste keuse geweer vir algemene jag hier in die Ooskaap. Al is dit onwettig skiet ek tot en met eland met die geweer. Met die regte punte - maak die 243 Win dood as ek my kant bring.

Ek oes met die geweer en skiet ongediertes met die geweer. Die tweede loop is nou gedaan. Ek het baie gehoor oor lang afstand vermoee van die 260 Rem. Ek skiet nogal baie lang afstand skote. Wat gaan my beter dien ?

Ek het 'n 220 Swift , 7mm Rem Mag , 300 H&H , 375 H&H. Ek soek iets met hanteerbare " recoil " waarmee ek hopelik 'n bietjie beter kan doen as met die 243 Win. Is die 260 Rem soveel beter as die 243 Win ?

[Sako75]

I think the 260 is worth a try if you go through barrels quite frequently. If it turns out to be a mistake it should be short-lived? I have both and could not argue against either. In the context of your battery I would see a slot for a 260.

I don't purport to be an expert but I am of the understanding that all things being equal the 260 should have a bit more punch, a bit better SD, a flatter long range trajectory and somewhat better wind bucking ability than a 243. That all being said I often think that these differences sometimes tend to be somewhat academic under normal hunting conditions and distances where variations due to the rifleman are of greater impact than the differences between the practical performance of two calibres which are close cousins.

[Arnold]

Roy, ek is 'n groot voorstaander van die 260 maar jy moet besef dat jy spoed gaan verloor met die 260 aangesien jy heel waarskynlik swaarder koeels gaan skiet.

Jy gaan nuwe dies en doppe moet koop so dit is ekstra koste. Kyk dalk na 'n vinnige twist loop vir jou 243 waarmee jy die 105gr koeels kan skiet wat ook goed doen oor langer afstande.

Hoe lank is jou huidige loop en hoe lank beplan jy jou volgende loop?
Watse koeels en teen watter spoed skiet jy hulle huidiglik?

[Pvdw]

Ek oes met die geweer en skiet ongediertes met die geweer

Roy ek self het nie 'n 20Rem nie maar 'n 6.5x55, die 2 is egter redelik naby aan mekaar met die 6.5 so kortkop voor met balistiese vermoeë.

Ek self sien die 243 as beter kaliber vir dit wat jy hierbo noem. Die 260 gaan redelik duurder herlaai en komponente is defnitief nie so beskikbaar as die 243 sin nie.

Die 260 is 'n tipiese 110-140gr geweer met 1:9 twist as die algemeen. Met meeste 24" loop en 140gr koeëls kan jy so rondom2700ft/s verwag uit die 260. BC op meeste van die 140gr koeëls is rondom 0.45-0.52.

Die kaliber herlaai baie maklik en akuraatheid is regtig iets besonders,

Indien jy meestal oes en peste roer met die nou en dan lang skote sal ek persoonlik die 243 aanbeveel. Indien langer skote op wild die oogmerk is sal ek sonder twyfel die 260 aanbeveel.

Kom ons hoor wat sê die ander manne.

[Roy Sparks]

I would forsake velocity for better inherent accuracy and flatter trajectory. I would like the option of building a super accurate moderate recoil rifle on that pre '64 action that will be good on vermin and larger game - with the appropriate choice of projectiles for the needs.

Can 243 brass be formed for the 260 ?

Are there any core bonded softs or partitions for the 260 ?

[Sako75]

Check here for bullets

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/d ... tem=Newest
https://www.safariandoutdoor.co.za/subc ... 6.5mm_.264

[Pvdw]

100gr en 125gr Nosler Partitions. V Max vir peste in 95gr.

[Arnold]

I would forsake velocity for better inherent accuracy and flatter trajectory. I would like the option of building a super accurate moderate recoil rifle on that pre '64 action that will be good on vermin and larger game - with the appropriate choice of projectiles for the needs.

Roy, the way I read your sentences you contradict yourself in each one ...

You have rifles for larger game. I would say you should look at the 6XC if you want a more inherent accurate cartridge. You will get 243 performance with less powder and longer barrel life.

[JPS]

I have a 260rem, I cannot stop raving about it. But I think Arnold gave very sound advice up here, specific to your needs I do think Arnold nailed it.

Regards
JPS

[Doomslayer]

Ek het 'n .260 en dink dit is 'n fantastiese kaliber.

Voordele:
1. Baie vergewingsgesind as dit kom by herlaai.
2. Wye verskeidenheid punte om van te kies: ek gebruik tans die volgende: 140gr Nosler accubond, 142gr Sierra Matchking, 140gr Berger VLD Target, 139gr Lapua Scenar, 140gr Berger VLD Hybrid Hunting.
3. Ek ervaar nie so tekort an herlaaikomponente soos sommiges sê nie - ja doppe was onlangs skaars gewees, maar dit was die geval in amper alle kalibers. Doplewe is uitstekend. Ek sou Lapua doppe aanbeveel - nekwanddiktes varieer met minder as 1/1000 van duim en konsentrisiteit van my gelaaide rondtes is baie goed - gewoonlik onder 1/1000'e en nooit meer as 3/1000'e nie. Boonop kan jy altyd doppe vorm vanaf .243 of .308.
4. Redelike looplewe - 2500 - 5000 rondtes afhangende van met wie jy praat.
5. Baie mild recoil.
6. Goeie langafstand performance - maar dit geld vir meeste van die 6.5mm kalibers. Weens die lang "slender" vorm van meeste van die punte het hulle hoë BC vir hul klas. Wind drift en bullet drop is ongeveer 30% beter as .308. Sien die volgende artikel van Zak Smith oor die .260: http://demigodllc.com/articles/the-case ... remington/. Sy website het ook ander baie goeie artikels wat beslis die lees werd is.
7. Herlaai kostes: lapua doppe (R15 - maar kan ten minste tien keer laai dus R1,50 per rondte), primer R1,50, punte R3-10 per punt, kruit ongeveer 42gr (160 Rondtes per blik dus ongeveer R2.10 vir kruit) Dus totale gelaaid rondte R8.10-RR15.10.

Nadeel:
1. Tans nie fabriekammunisie beskikbaar in S.A. nie - maar as jy al op jou derde loop is van .243 glo ek jy herlaai self.... lol!

As jy "platter skiet" kaliber wil hê moet jy ook kyk na iets soos 6mm dasher, 6mm XC ens.

Vir my is my .260 die enigste "2" kaliber wat ek nodig het - langafstand teikenskiet asook jag op afstande vanaf 100m - 500m+.

[Capt. Yoda]

Verander jou .243 na n 6mm Dasher

[Carl]

Roy
I'm with Arnold et al. One of the 6mm with better barrel life and low fuel economy makes more sense, if you have to satisfy the urge to make a change. If you were looking for a hunting rifle only the 260 would be great. But you have that covered with the others.
But.
One thing you do have to consider is the fixed cost of converting from 243. You will have to make a big investment and with the availability of components it may take more RRR and time to find components. In the 243 you know what you have. Look at better barrels, longer length in order to cut the throat at a later stage.

Nosler Ballistic Tip hunting is a very accurate bullet, I find them hard enough for brain shots on larger animals. Or Custom Competition if you get the right twist.

[andre007]

Hallo Roy you can maar follow Arnold's advice. I'm changing mine to a 260 rem after the hunting season. I must just decide if I'm going to AI it or not

[Jonie]

Roy

I want to put a spanner in the works , I agree that a 260 is fantastic, and I will purchase one in a heartbeat, but please look at the 6.5x 47 all components freely available and a really fantastic rifle, gives better barrel life and lower recoil" according to the experts" this is truly a stunning caliber.

tx

Jonie

[LUAN]

Dis ook maar eers hier van 600m af wat n standaard 260rem saam n .308 hardloop met bullet drop en dis al klaar ver....
260rem 140gr cc @ 2800fps 10km/h wind
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(m) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.7 *** 0.0 *** 2809.8 2.504 2453.8 0.000 0.0 ***
25 -0.8 -2.7 0.0 0.1 2761.0 2.460 2369.4 0.029 0.0 0.0
50 -0.2 -0.3 0.1 0.2 2712.8 2.417 2287.3 0.059 0.0 0.0
75 0.1 0.1 0.3 0.3 2665.0 2.375 2207.5 0.090 0.0 0.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.5 0.4 2617.8 2.333 2130.0 0.121 0.0 0.0
125 -0.5 -0.3 0.7 0.5 2571.1 2.291 2054.6 0.153 0.0 0.0
150 -1.4 -0.8 1.1 0.6 2524.8 2.250 1981.4 0.185 0.0 0.0
175 -2.7 -1.3 1.4 0.7 2479.1 2.209 1910.2 0.218 0.0 0.0
200 -4.4 -1.9 1.9 0.8 2433.8 2.169 1841.0 0.251 0.0 0.0
225 -6.5 -2.5 2.4 0.9 2389.0 2.129 1773.8 0.285 0.0 0.0
250 -9.1 -3.2 3.0 1.1 2344.6 2.089 1708.5 0.320 0.0 0.0
275 -12.2 -3.9 3.7 1.2 2300.7 2.050 1645.2 0.355 0.0 0.0
300 -15.8 -4.6 4.4 1.3 2257.2 2.011 1583.6 0.391 0.0 0.0
325 -19.8 -5.3 5.3 1.4 2214.2 1.973 1523.8 0.428 0.0 0.0
350 -24.4 -6.1 6.2 1.5 2171.7 1.935 1465.8 0.465 0.0 0.0
375 -29.6 -6.9 7.1 1.7 2129.6 1.898 1409.5 0.503 0.0 0.0
400 -35.3 -7.7 8.2 1.8 2087.9 1.860 1355.0 0.542 0.0 0.0
425 -41.7 -8.6 9.4 1.9 2046.8 1.824 1302.1 0.582 0.0 0.0
450 -48.6 -9.4 10.6 2.1 2006.1 1.788 1250.9 0.622 0.0 0.0
475 -56.2 -10.3 11.9 2.2 1965.9 1.752 1201.3 0.664 0.0 0.0
500 -64.5 -11.3 13.3 2.3 1926.3 1.716 1153.3 0.706 0.0 0.0
525 -73.4 -12.2 14.8 2.5 1887.1 1.682 1106.8 0.749 0.0 0.0
550 -83.1 -13.2 16.4 2.6 1848.5 1.647 1062.0 0.793 0.0 0.0
575 -93.6 -14.2 18.2 2.8 1810.4 1.613 1018.7 0.837 0.0 0.0
600 -104.8 -15.3 20.0 2.9 1772.8 1.580 976.9 0.883 0.0 0.0



.308 155gr cc @ 2890fps 10km/h wind
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(m) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.7 *** 0.0 *** 2901.8 2.586 2897.5 0.000 0.0 ***
25 -0.8 -2.8 0.0 0.1 2843.3 2.533 2781.8 0.029 0.0 0.0
50 -0.2 -0.3 0.1 0.2 2785.5 2.482 2670.0 0.058 0.0 0.0
75 0.1 0.1 0.3 0.3 2728.5 2.431 2561.9 0.087 0.0 0.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.5 0.5 2672.3 2.381 2457.3 0.118 0.0 0.0
125 -0.4 -0.3 0.8 0.6 2616.7 2.332 2356.2 0.149 0.0 0.0
150 -1.3 -0.7 1.2 0.7 2561.9 2.283 2258.5 0.181 0.0 0.0
175 -2.5 -1.2 1.6 0.8 2507.7 2.234 2163.9 0.213 0.0 0.0
200 -4.1 -1.8 2.2 0.9 2454.1 2.187 2072.5 0.246 0.0 0.0
225 -6.2 -2.4 2.8 1.1 2401.2 2.140 1984.1 0.280 0.0 0.0
250 -8.7 -3.0 3.5 1.2 2349.0 2.093 1898.7 0.314 0.0 0.0
275 -11.7 -3.7 4.2 1.3 2297.3 2.047 1816.2 0.350 0.0 0.0
300 -15.2 -4.4 5.1 1.5 2246.3 2.002 1736.4 0.386 0.0 0.0
325 -19.2 -5.1 6.0 1.6 2196.0 1.957 1659.4 0.423 0.0 0.0
350 -23.7 -5.9 7.1 1.8 2146.2 1.912 1585.1 0.460 0.0 0.0
375 -28.8 -6.7 8.2 1.9 2097.1 1.869 1513.4 0.499 0.0 0.0
400 -34.5 -7.5 9.4 2.1 2048.7 1.825 1444.2 0.539 0.0 0.0
425 -40.8 -8.4 10.8 2.2 2000.9 1.783 1377.6 0.579 0.0 0.0
450 -47.7 -9.3 12.2 2.4 1953.8 1.741 1313.5 0.621 0.0 0.0
475 -55.4 -10.2 13.8 2.5 1907.4 1.700 1251.9 0.663 0.0 0.0
500 -63.7 -11.1 15.5 2.7 1861.7 1.659 1192.6 0.707 0.0 0.0
525 -72.8 -12.1 17.2 2.9 1816.7 1.619 1135.7 0.751 0.0 0.0
550 -82.7 -13.1 19.2 3.0 1772.5 1.579 1081.2 0.797 0.0 0.0
575 -93.4 -14.2 21.2 3.2 1729.1 1.541 1028.9 0.844 0.0 0.0
600 -105.0 -15.3 23.3 3.4 1686.6 1.503 978.8 0.892 0.0 0.0

[Carl]

Nou wie het gevra van 'n 308? Dit het absoluut niks waarde vir Roy om daarna te kyk nie.

[LUAN]

Nou wie het gevra van 'n 308? Dit het absoluut niks waarde vir Roy om daarna te kyk nie.

Ag dis lekke om so bietjie te stir man Ek sal ook n 260 like maar vir nou is daar nie geld

[Arnold]

.303 ... vir dieselfde BC as 'n 155gr in 308 kan jy 'n 107gr in 6.5mm skiet.
Die 107gr kan jy egter teen 3300 fps skiet

Jonie, I see the 6.5x47 at an even further disadvantage than the 260 Rem when looking at speed and flat trajectories and therefore my recommendation of the 6XC, which will be fast and flat shooting with mild recoil and better barrel life than the 243 Win.

[Roy Sparks]

Thanks all for your help. The 260 sounds sweet but to be practical I think I'll just stay with the 243 Win....ner !

[375fanatic]

I would forsake velocity for better inherent accuracy and flatter trajectory. I would like the option of building a super accurate moderate recoil rifle on that pre '64 action that will be good on vermin and larger game - with the appropriate choice of projectiles for the needs.

Can 243 brass be formed for the 260 ?

Are there any core bonded softs or partitions for the 260 ?

I cant see why not

I had a 243 and have the 6.5 now and I will not go back to the 243 again once you used the 6.5 you are hooked

I suggest you try the 260 you wont regret it

[Jonie]

Arnold

I agree, just saying that all the 6.5 are great , but agree with you totally on 6mmxc or dasher

tx

Jonie

[Gawie(13mm)]

Good day.
I'm posting for two reasons. One, I love to use the spel-checker on my phone and and it works better with English.

No.2 is either to through a spanner in your works or to confirm half of what the gents posted before me. Seeing that you are going to re-barrel, why not AI the 243 on a 1 in 8 twist barrel. Alas, flatter trajectory, lower pressure, higher BC projectiles and the only new piece of reloading equipment you need is a full-size die.

That is my plan for the future when my 243's barrel goes south.

Regards,
Gawie

[Roy Sparks]

Gawie that certainly sounds like a viable option that I will strongly consider.

I have swopped a hunt for a new 243 barrel - Walther or Musgrave can such a barrel be converted to take the Ackely case