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Goeie dag aan al die quickload manne.
Is dit asb moontlik vir iemand om vir my te kyk waar draai die kamer druk met die volgende lading
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Norma cases...I don't know the h2o volume.
400 gr Stewart bonded soft
84 gr of Hodgsdon H4350
Get a speed of avg 2308 fps
Chronograph at 5m.
Very good accuracy on this load. 1"
I have send my rifle in for gun coating and reloaded all the cases I have. So as soon as my rifle is back I will be able to give h2o volume.
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Die ander manne moet ook maar net kyk maar lyk of dit rondom 46250psi is.

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Henna308 wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 8:38 pm Die ander manne moet ook maar net kyk maar lyk of dit rondom 46250psi is.

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Weet darm dat die druk nog heel aanvaarbaar is.
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Looplengte? Ek het nie data vir die Stewart koeël nie. Iemand dalk die inligting?
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Askuus oom
24" loop lengte.
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Oom Driepoot.
Die 400gr swift A frame doen die selfde spoed met die selfde lading.
Dalk kan mens op hulle specs werk?
Dis wat ek op hulle kry
Ballistic coefficient
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Nella wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 5:44 pm Goeie dag aan al die quickload manne.
Is dit asb moontlik vir iemand om vir my te kyk waar draai die kamer druk met die volgende lading
404 jeffery
Norma cases...I don't know the h2o volume.
400 gr Stewart bonded soft
84 gr of Hodgsdon H4350
Get a speed of avg 2308 fps
Chronograph at 5m.
Very good accuracy on this load. 1"
I have send my rifle in for gun coating and reloaded all the cases I have. So as soon as my rifle is back I will be able to give h2o volume.
If the info above is all correct, you may be pushing it with pressures...
GRT suggests you should be seeing speeds nearer 2500ft/s with 84.0gr H4350. And pressure as calculated with default settings is around 55k psi when calibrating to your 2308ft/s.

The Hornady reloading manual says max load with a 400gr & H4350 is 78.9gr for about 2200 ft/s.
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My berekening wys maks druk van 52K psi. Die ontbrekende TPL soos geskiet asook die dopvolume kan die syfers effe wysig. Waar is DWB om bietjie meer insig te gee?
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Askuus ek gee als so stuk stuk..
Tpl is 88.2mm
Sien internet gee die norma doppe se h2o as 113gr.

Die geweer het ek eers met S365 probeer maar waar sonchem se maksimum lading 79gr kruit met n spoed van 2274fps met n v/c faktor van 28.8 is...
Op daai lading kry die geweer maar 2071fps .

Die hodgdon h4350 lading kom van verskillende oorsee se forums wat daar n hele paar 404 jeffery eienaars is wat die spesefieke lading gebruik en almal praat van baie baie goeie resultate.
Daars seker 10 plus verskillende ouens wat die lading skiet. Hulle het ook wel genoem oor die Hornady se lading wat soveel laer maximum aanbeveel...maar almal het opgeeiendig met die 84gr teen 2300fps.
Het die lading in koue oggend temp geskiet en ook in warm middag temp en spoed het met so 20fps verskil
Met die kouer temp se avg 2288fps

Al toon die geweer geen tekens van te veel druk nie wil ek liewers veilig wees.
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Is die 24 duim 'n gemete waarde?

Wanneer is die' geweer vervaardig?
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tripodmvr wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:39 am Is die 24 duim 'n gemete waarde?

Wanneer is die' geweer vervaardig?
Ja die loop is 24".
Ek het die geweer in die jaar nog laat bou
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Daai 84gr H4350 is ñ wel bekende lading vir die 404 manne in Amerika vir 400gr rondom 2300fps.

Met die groter volumes kruit neem die spoed gewoonlik maar af, so dis belangrik om te kalibreer.
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Baie dankbaar vir almal se hulp.
As ek mag vra DWB ..watse lading gebruik jy op jou 404?
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Nella, my geweer het ñ Walther (.424") loop en ek gebruik gemaklik tot 6gr meer kruit as ander manne.

Ek gebruik wel tans 81gr N550 vir 2300fps met ñ 400gr Impalas vir BASA.

Vir jag gebruik ek 400gr Safari Bullet Co waarvan ek nie nou die lading kan onthou nie. Maar ook rondom 2300fps.

Vir 400gr Stewart sal ek 400gr Woodleigh as vergelyking gebruik.
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Ek skiet die 400gr A-Frames teen omtrent 2200fps met 85,6gr VV N560. Ek het eers probeer om teen 2300fps te skiet, maar kon agterkom dat daar baie stres op die doppe is wanneer ek resize. Sover is ek baie gelukkig met hierdie lading.
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Looplengte speel 'n groot rol wanneer spoedvlakke genoem word. @Forester - jou se geweer se looplengte?
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tripodmvr wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 10:02 am Looplengte speel 'n groot rol wanneer spoedvlakke genoem word. @Forester - jou se geweer se looplengte?
Myne is 24" Oom
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Nog n gelukkige 404 eienaar....
Darm maar n lekker skieter...
Hopenlik kry ek my geweer die week nog terug dat ek die h2o volume kan meet/weeg.
Sal interesant wees om te sien of daai lading wêl veilig is om te skiet.
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Hiers ook n interesante artikel met n paar ladings.
Hoop hy maak oop
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DWB wrote: Sun Jun 02, 2024 11:16 am Nella, my geweer het ñ Walther (.424") loop en ek gebruik gemaklik tot 6gr meer kruit as ander manne.
Hiers my geweer se spesefikasie....
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Mag dalk verklaar hoekom my v/c waarde soveel laer is .
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Dit gebeur!

Draai net sy oor tot hy luister!!!!!!
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Goeie naand manne

Ek sal waardeer as daar so paar voorstelle is vir goeie 404 ladings.

Sover het ek die "dies", doppe, primers en punte:
  • Norma Doppe
  • Viper supreme bush punte
  • CCI 250 Magnum primers
Wil graag weet watter kruit werk goed (en is geredelik beskikbaar).

En dan natuurlik die lading voorgestel. Van wat ek sien is die spoed rondom 2200 tot 2300 fps?

(as daar ander voorstelle is vir punte, gee asb voorstel - het Safari Bullet thread ook gekry viewtopic.php?p=911351#p911351 )

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Cartridge : .404 Riml.NE (Jeffery, 10.75x73)
Bullet : .423, 400, Barnes BND SLD 42320
Useable Case Capaci: 87.869 grain H2O = 5.705 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.528 inch = 89.61 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 47000 psi, or 324 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

56 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T 96,8 82,2 5,33 2389 100,0 47000 7972 1,356 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 95,9 81,5 5,28 2373 99,8 47000 7900 1,361 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 95,9 81,5 5,28 2373 99,8 47000 7900 1,361 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 100,0 84,9 5,50 2351 98,4 46546 7902 1,381 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 100,0 78,9 5,11 2343 98,9 46689 7751 1,368 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 97,4 84,0 5,44 2335 97,1 47000 7874 1,373 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 94,9 81,3 5,27 2325 96,2 47000 7780 1,379 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 94,9 81,3 5,27 2325 96,2 47000 7780 1,379 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 100,0 81,0 5,25 2325 98,7 46554 7667 1,402 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C 100,0 80,1 5,19 2324 98,6 46799 7625 1,383 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C 97,0 80,3 5,20 2324 98,5 47000 7705 1,389 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 100,0 80,1 5,19 2323 98,6 46752 7621 1,384 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 100,0 83,6 5,42 2320 96,8 46107 7821 1,386 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C 90,3 79,7 5,17 2320 98,8 47000 7546 1,380 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 90,7 75,9 4,92 2314 100,0 47000 7192 1,390 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 93,0 77,8 5,04 2310 99,4 47000 7351 1,384 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 90,0 77,6 5,03 2304 99,4 47000 7268 1,385 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 100,0 83,6 5,42 2301 96,1 44911 7799 1,401
Norma 204 *C 99,2 83,0 5,38 2293 93,6 47000 7613 1,379 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 88,9 72,0 4,67 2290 99,5 47000 7205 1,403 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 92,3 75,6 4,90 2288 99,8 47000 7121 1,413 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 92,3 75,6 4,90 2288 99,8 47000 7121 1,413 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 85,2 75,3 4,88 2287 99,9 47000 7100 1,403 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 100,0 80,6 5,22 2285 99,9 41653 7475 1,442
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation 100,0 82,2 5,33 2283 95,7 46642 7464 1,395 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C 90,2 73,0 4,73 2282 99,5 47000 7132 1,404 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 94,4 75,6 4,90 2282 99,8 47000 7053 1,414 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 89,7 72,6 4,71 2281 99,2 47000 7156 1,404 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C 89,7 72,6 4,71 2281 99,2 47000 7156 1,404 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 89,7 72,6 4,71 2281 99,2 47000 7156 1,404 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 82,5 71,9 4,66 2279 100,0 47000 6801 1,396 ! Near Maximum !
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Branderplank wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 8:31 pm Goeie naand manne

Ek sal waardeer as daar so paar voorstelle is vir goeie 404 ladings.

Sover het ek die "dies", doppe, primers en punte:
  • Norma Doppe
  • Viper supreme bush punte
  • CCI 250 Magnum primers
Wil graag weet watter kruit werk goed (en is geredelik beskikbaar).

En dan natuurlik die lading voorgestel. Van wat ek sien is die spoed rondom 2200 tot 2300 fps?

(as daar ander voorstelle is vir punte, gee asb voorstel - het Safari Bullet thread ook gekry viewtopic.php?p=911351#p911351 )

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